Hello all, I’ve recently received a message from a prospective student asking me to elaborate on the reasons for my decisions to attend AUC as opposed to SGU or Ross, the top three off-shore med schools in the Caribbean. The student is deciding between Ross and AUC and wanted to know what other factors she should consider to help make her decision. I’d like to share with everyone my answer:
Hi,
Thanks for the message. It really all does boil down to personal preference, since whichever school you choose, you can be confident that you’ll get a good education. All three schools are recognized by NCFMEA as being on par with US med schools in terms of accreditation, and have the educational and administrative standards high enough to qualify for US federal student loans. They all have facilities like anatomy lab, computer labs with virtual imaging software, Sim Man, Harvey Cardiac simulator, computer-based testing, access to Up-To-Date and other electronic medical resources, group-learning facilities, etc. They all have very high USMLE first time pass rates, comparable with US med schools, showing they all prepare you well for the USMLE. Although these fields are competitive, both for US med students and Caribbean med students alike, Ross, SGU, and AUC all have histories of matching students into Anesthesiology, Surgery, Pathology, and Radiology year after year. I chose AUC because of the smaller class size, MUCH more developed island (which is very important considering I’ll be living nearly 2 years of my life here), and closer-knit school community, and so far I’m very happy with my decision. I’m quite impressed by the support we get from professors and fellow students alike. I’m also impressed by how everything at AUC is so student-driven, from school-wide events, to community service initiatives, to even the hiring of new faculty (which the school encourages students to actively evaluate).
Besides the basics, additional questions not often asked but important to consider are:
What is the structure of the curriculum?
In terms of curriculum, a major difference between Ross and AUC is that Ross has a system-based approach whereas AUC has a discipline -based approach to teaching medicine. A system-based curriculum structures classes based on organ systems, so you’ll take classes like Digestive System, Renal System, or Cardiovascular System. In the more traditional discipline-based curriculum you’ll take classes like Anatomy, Physiology, Pathology, Pharmacology, etc. In contrast with Ross and AUC, at SGU, the curriculum is case-based, and so students attend mandatory small group discussions on clinical cases in addition to their class lectures for many, if not most, of their classes. Again, it all depends on your personal preference.
How many exams do you have per semester?
This is very important determinant on how well you can manage your grades. For example, at SGU, a student’s final grade in a class is dependent on two exams, as they only have a midterm and a final for each class. This can make students very stressed as they have longer semesters and more material to cover for each exam. At AUC, in contrast, classes typically have four exams, followed by a comprehensive final exam. As AUC is based on a trimester system, the semesters are shorter and the amount of material you need to study for exams are much more manageable. At Ross, SGU, and AUC, exam questions are all USMLE-style, and so taking more exams means more practice for the USMLE.
How is the anatomy lab run?
Anatomy is a very important class and the knowledge you gain will help you in future classes, and so it is important to learn it well, and the best way to learn it is from real cadavers. I would find out how much contact you have with the cadavers. Do you have the opportunity to dissect, or are they already dissected for you? How many students are there per cadaver? How much lab time do you have? Are there ample TAs in the lab that will aid you in your learning process? A friend of mine from SGU told me that at SGU, there are 15 cadavers shared between the nearly 400 students in his class. At AUC, however, last semester, there were 18 bodies (19 if you include the TA demonstration body) for 208 students, giving students much more contact with the cadavers. At SGU, all the bodies were already prosected (pre-dissected), whereas at AUC, students personally perform the dissections. To me, this made anatomy a much more enriching experience as I connected with my “first patient.” At SGU, students are required to go into anatomy lab 2 times a week, 30 minutes each (but labs are open after hours as well). At AUC, students go into lab usually 4 times a week (and sometimes 5, depending on the week), 2 hours each time. At AUC, the lab is also open after hours for self study. I’m not sure how the labs are run at Ross, but again, it’s worth finding out.
Is there a safety net?
Although we all hope that we will succeed in our medical studies, we need to know if there’s some sort of safety net in case academics don’t work out as we wanted. It’s not something easy to think about but it is important. One policy to consider is what does the school do if you fail classes. At Ross, if you fail a class, you’ll have to retake the entire semester, even if you excelled the other classes. This is not so at AUC where you just retake the one class you didn’t do well in and try again. AUC has a traditional grading scale. A passing grade at AUC is a 70 and you may fail up to 17 credit hours before getting asked to leave. After this, students have the opportunity to appeal in front of a committee consisting of faculty and honor students who will decide whether or not to allow the student to stay. Other schools like SABA have a stricter rule on failure, such as a higher passing grade of 75.
How do students end up doing on the USMLE?
What matters at the end of the Basic Sciences portion of medical school is whether or not students pass the USMLE, and this is where AUC shines. AUC prepares students well to take the USMLE, with access to NBME Shelf exams for every subject and NBME Comprehensive exams, as well as a Kaplan course all included in the curriculum. This is something that other schools may not have. Because of its curriculum and student support, AUC’s USMLE Step I First-Time Pass Rate is 94% with 30% of students scoring 99 (which is the highest 2-digit score you can get). This is equivalent to the US National Average (also 94%). In comparison, the USMLE Step I First-time Pass Rate for Ross is 93%, for SGU it is 91%, for DO schools it is 81%, and for overall international medical schools it is 73%, according to the USMLE site. For more about Step I scores, check out this post.
So in conclusion, there are lots to consider. To read other students accounts of schools, feel free to check out the blog links I have at http://www.caribbeanmedstudent.com/other-blogs . I have quite a lot for AUC. I’ve put asterisks by my recommendations. For a student’s experience at Ross University, I’d check out Kendra’s blog, if you haven’t already. She is a recent graduate of Ross and kept a blog when she was a student: http://www.islandmedstudent.com.
Good luck and let me know if there’s anything else!
Benji
Just wanted to drop a word to say a big, “Thanks!” for these guides. I’m heading to AUC in the fall, and since it will be my first time out of the country, I’ve been worried sick. Some of the things you have here really help.
Can I ask you a question? Does anyone ever go grocery shopping (i.e. really load up) using those buses/minivans? It doesn’t look like grocery stores and Cost-U-Less are in walking distance.
Thanks! And thanks for keeping such a helpful blog/diary!
Hey Anthony,
Thanks for the message, and sorry for the late reply since I’ve been really busy lately. Although I have heard of people riding on the buses to go grocery shopping, I wouldn’t recommend it especially if you plan on buying more than you can carry with your two hands. I usually rent a car and split the cost among a few friends and go shopping together. That way, we can visit many grocery stores if we want to and still fill up the entire car with groceries. There is also Gourmet Marche within walking distance of campus that I often go to. It has pretty much most things you need and prices are for the most part comparable to the big Grande Marche in Philipsburg or Cole Bay. By the time you get here, they will probably be close to finishing building the Blue Mall down the street from campus. They plan on opening a grocery store there called US Imports as well.
Have a good one,
Benji
Hi Benji-I’ve been a long time reader of your blog and have really enjoyed it! I’m actually headed to medical school in the fall but have kept up with what’s going on in the Caribbean for quite some time. I always look at the match lists whenever they are published and have never seen someone from the Caribbean match into derm or plastics. I have absolutely nothing against the Caribbean schools and have a lot of respect for all of you guys. I was just wondering where you found that Ross and AUC students had matched into those specialties. Please point me in the right direction if you get a chance! Thanks!
Hey Michael, thanks for the message. For a complete list, I would contact the schools for more information. But just from googling, I found these:
Dermatology Residency for AUC:
http://aucmed.edu/pdf/Residency-Match/Residency-Match-2006.pdf
Plastic Residency for AUC:
http://www.mercyweb.org/doctors_Manish_Gupta.aspx
Plastic Residency for Ross:
http://www.rossu.edu/news/Twin-Sisters-Follow-Their-Dream-at-Ross.cfm?grp_id=43
Dermatology Residency for Ross:
http://akrongeneral.photobooks.com/directory/profile.asp?dbase=main&setsize=10&practice=Falls+Family+Practice%2C+Inc.&pict_id=8352767
hi benji!
i love your site and it has given me great insight as to what i should anticipate when starting med school this fall. my concern was with the fact that you talk about SGU, ROSS, and AUC but you rarely mention (or compare) Saba. Why is that?
thanks,
cassandre
p.s. i want to attend saba so i want to know if you’re biased against it or if you just don’t know that much about it. any bit of information would be helpful.:)
Hi Cassandre,
Thanks for the concern. I mentioned mainly AUC, Ross, and SGU because I originally wrote this post as an answer to an email question I got from a blog reader who was mainly interested in these schools. To read about my visit to Saba University last year, please check out this: http://www.caribbeanmedstudent.com/2010/12/expedition-to-saba/ .
Benji
Hey Guys,
I have a quick question….i recently just went to an AUC open house close by in
Austin, Texas. It was a great presentation, had a chance to speak with an alumni
and the recruiter.
–My question is, i want to do Internal Medicine or General Surgery…i wouldn’t mind
which one would i match in. But my question is, will i match? Considering i pass my usmle’s
i would hate to invest so much in med-school and not match at all–thats my fear.
-Jerry
Hi Jerry,
I would check out the school’s match list on their website here: http://aucmed.edu/alumni/past-residencies.html . You’ll see that every year, there are plenty of students who match in Internal Medicine, and several who match in General Surgery as well. I think whether or not you will match will depend on how strong your application, scores, recommendations, and interviews are as an individual. Most AUC graduates do match somewhere. The match rate has usually been around 90% but I’d suggest contacting the school to get an update on these numbers.
Benji
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Thanks Palak!
Great blog!!! Just a quick question: So is heineken cheaper on the Dutch side?
Hey Benji! I’ve been looking at your blog and browsing through for a couple of weeks. I’ve always wanted to go to AUC, since 2008. And am finally applying for September 2012. My question is, compared to SGU, AUC is year round. Is this because there is a less of a courseload (SGU classes spread out between 2 semesters, AUC spread out between 3)?
I guess what I mean is, lets say, the avg. medical student takes 10 classes in one school year, for SGU it would be 5 in semester 1, 5 in semester 2, the summer.
For AUC, would it be 3 in semester 1, 3 in semester 2, 4 in semester 3?
Hope that makes sense!
Rizwana
Hi Rizwana,
That’s a good question, and something I’d clarify with the schools. However, just from what I see from SGU’s curriculum and AUC’s curriculum, it seems like both schools complete Basic Sciences within 5 terms and within the similar time periods. The two schools just distribute the breaks a little differently. AUC has a break between each of its five terms: about 3 weeks for the winter holidays, and about 2 weeks for the summer and fall breaks. According to valuemd, however, SGU has a 3.5 week break for winter, a 1.5 month break during summer (if you start in September class), and no break between terms 3 and 4. It’s common in both schools for students to take a few months off to take the step, and start clinical rotations the semester after term 5. If you calculate the number of credit hours during Basic Sciences for the two schools, SGU students complete 84 credits within 5 terms while AUC students complete 89 credits within 5 terms. Hope this helps! Again, I’d verify with the school, as I’ve only experienced the curriculum at AUC.
Best of luck!
Benji