AUC Clinical Sites

Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Center, one of the many affiliated teaching hospitals AUC students do their clinical training.

When Do We Do Clinical Rotations?
Third and Fourth years of med school. After we complete our first five semesters of Basic Science training on the island, we go back to the states (or Canada) and take the USMLE Step 1 board exam within a semester’s worth of time. Once we pass the exam, we work with our clinical advisors and schedule our clinical rotations (aka “clerkships”) for our third and fourth years of med school.

How Many Weeks are Clinical Rotations?
In total, we do 72 weeks of rotations during our third and fourth years of medical school. We do 42 weeks of Core clinical rotations and 30 weeks of Elective clinical rotations.

What Are The Core Clinical Rotations?
The five core rotations that all med students must do are Internal Medicine (12 weeks), General Surgery (12 weeks), Pediatrics (6 weeks), OB/GYN (6 weeks), and Psychiatry (6 weeks). In addition, for licensure reasons, AUC highly recommends us doing the “required electives” of Family Medicine (4 weeks) and Neurology (4 weeks). The rest of the electives we can choose ourselves.

Can We Do Elective Rotations Before Core Rotations?
Generally, we do core rotations before elective rotations, mainly because core rotations are more fundamental and elective rotations are usually sub-specialties of those fundamental core fields. There are only four elective rotations that we are allowed to do before finishing all of our core rotations: Family Medicine, Neurology, Pathology, and Radiology.

Where Can We Do Our Clinical Rotations?
We are required to do all of our core rotations at AUC’s affiliated teaching hospitals, most of which are located in the US, but also the UK. For elective rotations, we generally also complete them at AUC’s affiliated hospitals, but we also have the flexibility to complete some electives at non-affiliated hospitals as well. According to a newly-passed nation-wide law, we are allowed 8 weeks of our rotations at each institution/hospital not affiliated with our school.

What Does It Mean For A Rotation To Be “Greenbook”?
It means that the rotation is approved by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME), and is done at a teaching hospital that also has a residency program in the particular field you want to do the rotation in.

Are All of AUC’s Clinical Sites Greenbook?
All of AUC’s clinical core rotations are greenbook except Pediatrics at Kern (in California), which fall under the umbrella of Family Medicine, and Psychiatry at Metropolitan State Hospital (also in California), which only covers adolescent psychiatry. These two rotations at these two locations satisfy the requirements for California and almost all the other states for licensure, but may cause issues in Texas. If you decide to go this route, you can still get a residency in Texas, but your licensing in Texas would be delayed until after you are board certified. To ensure you’ll have no issue with licensing in Texas, I personally would just do these two rotations at another one of AUC’s many affiliated teaching hospitals.

I Don’t See Pediatrics or Psych rotations at Providence Hospital Being Listed on the ACGME Site. Is It Really Greenbook?
The Pediatrics rotation at Providence is actually done via Providence’s sister hospital of St. John’s Hospital, which is listed on ACGME, and therefore is greenbook. The Psych rotation at Providence is administered via University of Michigan, which is also listed separately on the ACGME site, and is therefore also Greenbook. There’s a couple more examples of these types of listings. Yes, the way the approved clinical rotations are listed on the site can be a little confusing sometimes, but you can be sure that all of AUC’s clinical rotation sites (except Peds at Kern and Psych at Metropolitan) are greenbook.

Is There Only One Hospital We Rotate at Each Clinical Rotation Site?
Not always. For example, if you decide to rotate at AUC’s Miami Beach Community Health Center (MBCHC) site, you’ll actually be rotating at any one of MBCHC’s sister hospitals: Miami Children’s Hospital, University of Miami Hospital, Jackson Memorial Hospital, Aventura Hospital, or Mt. Sinai Hospitals, all of which are major teaching hospitals for several medical programs in the south Florida area. We’re not just limited to that one hospital.

Which Hospitals Can I Do All 5 Core Rotations?
In the US: Bronx-Lebanon Hospital, Providence Hospital, Nassau University Medical Center, Kern (but keep in mind the Pediatrics here fall under “Family Medicine” and therefore can be an issue for licensure in some states).
In the UK: Ealing Hospital, Epsom General Hospital, and Royal Blackburn Hospital. If you choose to go to a hospital that does not offer all the cores, as a third or fourth semester student, you may have to do some traveling, but some people may like to experience different hospitals and make useful connections.

Will I Have Issues With Licensure If I Do Rotations in the UK?
No. All of AUC’s affiliated teaching hospitals in the UK are considered “Greenbook” and completely meet the requirements. Personally, I feel it would be an awesome experience to get trained in the UK for at least one of my core rotations and then return to the US to complete my third and fourth year of medical school.. I hear from several students and alumni that clinical training in England is more hands-on, and trains you well to impress your attendings once you come back to the states. Not to mention, being trained by two healthcare systems is an invaluable opportunity.

Are There Exams We Take After Each Rotation?
For each clinical rotation, we take the NBME Shelf Exam for that rotation. It counts towards our clinical grades at AUC, which is pass/fail. These exams are nationally administered and can be taken at various testing centers in the states. More importantly, after finishing our core rotations, we’ll have to take the second part of our board exams: the USMLE Step II. The Step II exam consist of a Clinical Knowledge portion (USMLE Step II ck) and a Clinical Skills portion (USMLE Step II cs). These exams are also administered at various hospitals around the country.

Where Can I Learn More About AUC’s Clinical Rotations?
Every semester, AUC’s Office of Clinical Student Affairs (OCSA) come down to the island to give a presentation/workshop about clinicals. It is open to the entire school and is a great way to get more information and get your questions answered about clinicals, as well as meet your clinical advisors. In addition, every May, AUC holds a Clinical Symposium in which representatives from most of AUC’s affiliated clinical teaching hospitals in the US and UK come to the island to talk to Basic Science students about their hospitals. You meet and talk to the people directly running the show and get a much better sense of what the sites and rotations are like. You can also contact the Office of Clinical Student Affairs directly to get any questions answered.

What are AUC’s Affiliated Teaching Hospitals?
For a complete and updated list of AUC’s clinical teaching hospitals, please visit here. Here is a list that I have compiled (updated June 23, 2011):

CLINICAL SITES IN US LOCATION CORE ROTATIONS
Med Surg Ped Ob/G Psych
Aultman Hospital Canton, OH X
Baton Rouge General Hospital Baton Rouge, LA X X
Bayfront Medical Center St. Petersburg, FL Electives only
Brentwood Hospital Shreveport, LA X
Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Center Bronx, NY X X X X X
Brooklyn Hospital Center Brooklyn, NY X X X X
Cleveland Clinic Weston, FL Electives only
Flushing Hospital Queens, NY X X X X
Griffin Hospital Derby, CT X X
Kaiser Permanente LA Fontana, CA Electives only
Kern Medical Center Bakersfield, CA X X X X X
Lutheran Medical Center Brooklyn, NY X X
Metropolitan State Hospital Norwalk, CA X
Miami Beach Community Health Center Miami Beach, FL X X X X
Mount Sinai Medical Center Chicago, IL Electives only
Mount Vernon Hospital Mount Vernon, NY X
Nassau University Medical Center East Meadow, NY X X X X X
Orlando Regional Hospital Orlando, FL Electives only
Providence Hospital Southfield, MI X X X X X
Shands at the University of Florida Gainesville, FL Electives only
Spring Grove Hospital Center Catonsville, MD X
St. Agnes Hospital Baltimore, MD X X
St. John Hospital and Medical Center Detroit, MI X
St. John’s Episcopal Hospital Queens, NY X
St. Luke’s Roosevelt Hospital Center New York, NY Electives only
St. Mary’s Hospital Waterbury, CT X
St. Vincent Medical Center Bridgeport, CT X X
Staten Island University Hospital Staten Island, NY X X X X
Tallahasee Memorial Hospital Tallahassee, FL Electives only
Union Memorial Hospital Baltimore, MD X X
CLINICAL SITES IN UK LOCATION CORE ROTATIONS
Med Surg Ped Ob/G Psych
Ealing Hospital London, UK X X X X X
Epsom General Hospital Epsom, UK X X X X X
Queen’s Hospital Romford, UK X X X X
Royal Blackburn Hospital Blackburn, UK X X X X X
Wexham Park Hospital Slough, UK X X X X X
Worthing District Hospital Worthing, UK X X X X

8 comments to AUC Clinical Sites

  • Samantha

    I know that there are 2-3 clinical centers in which you can do all your clinical rotations (both core and electives). I’m sure the number of spots are pretty limited and I was wondering how hard it is to get all the rotations in one hospital. I would like to stay in place during 3rd and 4th years and I was wondering how difficult it is to get the opportunity to do instead of shuffling between different hospitals and having to move from one apartment to another. Also I just wanted to let you know that your website is pretty amazing and has helped me to get all the information about AUC. Thank you!

  • Benji

    Thanks for visiting Samantha! As for doing all your cores in one area, it is definitely possible, especially if you go to New York or the UK. You can also do all your cores in Michigan and California, but since spaces are limited at these sites and demand is usually high, it is more difficult to get these sites. You could always try taking the step early in order to have an earlier choice as to where to rotate, but be sure you are ready to take the step before you take it. Good luck Samantha!

  • Helen

    Hey Benji,
    We are planning on moving to the UK come Aug/Sept. I noticed on your list of hospitals you don’t have Kingston?
    Thanks for posting all this great information, a girlfriend of mine at AUC told me about it!

    • Benji

      Hi Helen,
      Thanks for visiting my site. AUC no longer has Kingston as a site. This happened pretty recently, so I updated my information accordingly.
      Good luck in everything!
      Benji

  • Tanner staples

    Hey benji!

    Thanks so much for your blog. It really has made more comfortable about the idea of going to school at AUC. Two questions. We’re you able to choose where you sis your rotations. I want to do mine in california. I see though the hospital that interests me, MSH in Norwalk only does psychiatry. Does that mean that I will do most of my others at a place like kern? Second do you feel the acquiring of AUC by DeVry is going to change the experience at AUC. I’m mostly likely going to start in fall 13. Thanks for your help.

    • Benji

      Hi Tanner,
      Thanks for visiting my blog. In terms of rotation, usually your clinical advisor will let you know which spots are available at the time of clinical registration, and from those that are available, you choose where you want to do your rotations. As of now, only Psych is offered at MSH in Norwalk, and therefore with the rest of your rotations, you will have to do them at the other affiliated hospitals, like Kern.

      As for how the recent acquisition is going to change the experience at AUC, no one’s really sure. DeVry has said that AUC will continue to be its own institution, and that most likely we won’t notice any difference for a while. The AUC community certainly has a unique identity and intimate atmosphere and many current students worry that the school might lose this with the new owners. One thing is certain: there’s a lot more money available to be invested in AUC now… let’s just hope it’s for the better.

      Best of luck Tanner!

      Benji

  • Savreet

    Hi Benji,

    I noticed you got into Michigan sites in your reply earlier in this thread and taking the step early. i was wondering, do you know how many spots are there in the July cycle at providence? And how early in the 6th semester is “early enough” to have a decent chance at making it into providence?

    Thanks so much for sharing all your wisdom!

    • Benji

      Hey Savreet,
      Thanks for the message. The sites I talked about above are for clinical rotations during third and fourth years of medical school, not residencies. Sorry if there was any confusion. In terms of rotation assignments, the availability of sites is based on first come first serve principle. If you’re the first person in your class to get your score back, then you’re the first person in your class to choose where you want to go for rotations. Providence is a very popular spot for rotations among AUC students, so it tends to fill up quickly. Here’s some more info on what happens after you complete your second year on the island: http://www.caribbeanmedstudent.com/2012/01/clinical-registration-checklist/
      Best of luck!
      Benji

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